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Wow, thank you for this incredible account! In 1995, I was given a diagnosis of Bipolar II NOS, and I was on 14 different medications and preparations over the next 25 years. Then my 8th therapist realized that I was never bipolar, and I started tapering off about 6 years ago. I am just now beginning to return to work very lightly... And I really sympathize with all of the mistakes that were made in your case. I really appreciate bringing this to light. And I wish you so much goodwill and energy for continuing to get better.

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Hi Alex: Getting back to you on your post here about the awful results from being kept on an SSRI (sertraline) even though there were significant and bothersome side effects from the get go which did not subside over time with the same dosage from day to day.

I am wondering about a couple of things. Was the dose of sertraline always 50 mg one time per day? You used the term "first dose," and then later you use the term "fourth dose." I am assuming the dose was always 50 mg per day and the "fourth" dose would be on the fourth day. If not that, then what dosage was typical and was there any larger dosing per day? It appears that your answer would be "50 mg per day for four days and then the history of Venlafaxine dosages starting six months after stopping sertraline." Is that correct? (4 days sertraline, ? days venlafaxine at ? dose).

Then I am not sure what came next. I see the venlafaxine mention, and then a statement:"At the dose I was taking, it was essentially a weak SSRI, slowly but surely worsening my condition over the three years I was on it. I never noticed for three reasons:

1. The decline was exceptionally slow

2. I put a lot of work into making cognitive adaptations (through counselling, meditation, etc.), which gave the illusion of improvement. Improved functioning through better management of symptoms does not equal treatment. I realised this too late.

3. I tried to come off a couple of times, however, my condition would worsen rapidly once I started. I mistook this to mean the medication was doing something when, in fact, it was the start of withdrawal symptoms (when I finally came off the medication, the withdrawal symptoms were very bad)."

Then statements about lithium but no details.

And then "For instance, for my repeat Bupropion prescription, the pharmacist mistook the XL version of Bupropion for the SR version. The XL version is supposed to be taken once per day with SR twice per day. So my instructions were to take the XL tablets twice per day, each spaced eight hours apart, instead of two tablets together once per day (150mg *2). This was never corrected."

Then, I cannot find it now, but you reference a gabapentin or similar medication for a period of time.

For me to understand in hindsight what might be going on overall, rather than, let's say, a singular conclusion about serotonin syndrome, those data points would be helpful. (A timeline of meds and outcomes).

You mention other diagnoses (10?). You mention the ongoing most recent diagnosis has been "Generalized Anxiety Disorder." Is that still correct? Are the symptoms you describe still present? If so, how intense? Have they changed for the better or worse?

Given what I have read so far, it looks to me like it was not likely a classic serotonin syndrome. You will likely question what I will say next since I am an "ADHD Explainer." However, I cannot let it not be a consideration, since ADHD is often NOT part of the screening like it should be (I understand, especially with the NHS). My clinical experience is all US (now retired)

Without taking up too much of your time, a few bullet points: Was ADHD considered? The literature is full of data showing that ADHD is a significant contributor to anxiety and depression diagnoses. More than a few studies in Canada and elsewhere have shown data such as almost 40% of referrals to a specialist adult anxiety disorder clinic had undiagnosed ADHD. Similarly, depression (moodiness, burn out, among other things) is also often a major feature of ADHD but not considered or screened for most of the time.

High IQ ADHDers with sensory sensitivities are often diagnosed with anxiety, OCD, and depression (burn out) and not ADHD because their IQ allows them to find work-arounds (you mention imposter syndrome in one of your posts).

It would be a very lengthy post, if I were to try to give you all the details of the literature on the undiagnosis and misdiagnosis related to ADHD. So, I will need to keep this short. SSRIs can change dopamine for the worse, in the sense of having many side effects related to dopamine functionality. Dopamine is involved in so many different functions, including eye movement. Nystagmus (side to side) usually, but also saccadic. Pain thresholds are influenced by dopamine functionality. Etc.

Venlafaxine, bupropion and gabapentin could have negative effects due to venlaxine and bupropion norepinephrine effects (sympathetic, threat responsiveness) and gabapentin (decreases dopamine functionality).

I hope this is helpful in terms of thinking about what you have experienced. If you want to check out my book which will detail a lot of what is misunderstood about ADHD, it is a free download at ADHDExplainer. Take care, Ron

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